Fuck these so-called ''theaterical live bands''.

Rage Against the Machine for life. Battle of Mexico City, 1999. The best life performance writen in the books of history.




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Rage are awesome, i love that gig. Wish i coulda been there would have been epic. Ive been to some pretty epic gigs though. I'm not sure what would top my list.
Metallica at Wembley 08/07/07 was an amazing experience.
Pendulum at Carling Academy glasgow (small venue) was also amazing.
I wish i had seen Daft Punk Alive 2007 though. That is one freaking awesome album and tour.

Again, that Led Zeppelin DVD is incredibly. That, and the Wootens down at the 3rd and Lindsley in Nashville every Wednesday night.

I'm not trying to troll here, but how is that even remotely a good live act?

No seriously...
The band looks like they're just performing, they're not really into it. Unless you call jumping up and down and rolling around on the stage 'exciting'.
There is no crowd atmosphere, everyone is doing what they normally do at concerts, stand around and listen. You have a bunch at the front throwing some people around, crowd surfing, whoopdeedoo.

I respect that this is Rage of the Machine's music style, but to be honest the lead singer looks like he's trying to constipate into the microphone. He's not even really 'singing', just talking the lyrics into the microphone.
In all honesty it isn't an enthusiastically live performance. I'm not saying it's shit or anything, but claiming it to be the 'The Best Live Performance in the History of Music and Mankind' is too far-fetched. You don't even have any evidence to backup your claim.

While I'm not claiming this to be the best either, it's just an example of Muse and how awesome their live performances are:


- Audience Cheering
- Audience Clapping along to the song.
- An epic 'buildup' to the song.
- Some awesome light work

They are regarded as one of the best Live Performing bands in the world today.

Ynnynnynnyyyyyyyy Museeeeeeeee.

Rage performed the best, because it performed without unnecessary tricks from outside the sheer love towards music. Muse, like most of today's pop bands, is commercial to the bone and performs by that rule. It is amazing of how great they made that concert without any tricks, just pure play.

I would also want to really see some singer that ''is into it'' more than Rocha, because by natural rules it's impossible.

Lack of crowd atmoshpere comes because of it was removed from the DVD this video was ripped off.

Speaking lyrics into the microphone is called Rapping, and that's exactly what Rage lived for. Besides collapsing world governments, of course (REVOLUTIOOOOOON).


This video only proves that Muse hides the fact that they can't neither play nor sing behind unnecessary tricks with lightning and visual acts.

Maybe today. But Rage was of it's time, and will be The Best Live Performing Band Ever to Exist on Earth forever.

Muse cant play or sing huh...well i never. I've seen them live twice in the last 3 years and each time was better than the last. They are extremely talented musicians, all members of the band can play the other instruments. Matt can play the piano like an absolute god and on top of this they have a cracking sense of humour and are pretty down to earth. Watch the Hulaballo DVD hours of behind the scenes footage from their tours, them fishing, laughing and having a good time. Rage may be great but they are hard to connect to in person, perhaps only in their ideals.

Rant over. For now.

I disagree. Matt's vocals are interesting and very difficult. On the other hand, rage hasn't written a bassline I can't play, and their vocals could be "sung" by a three year old. I think Rage is the band that uses cheap tricks and catchy melodies in place of well constructed songs and harmonized parts to achieve their purpose. Besides, I could sum up pretty much all their albums in pretty much one sentence.

"Dude, there's, like total social injustice everywhere and the government sucks; let's go act punk and not actually do anything about it."

Also, is having cool special effects a sin now?

Muse can definitely play and they can definitely play. Besides, Silence you could also sum up all of muse's albums with that same sentence, just replace punk with alternative.

I personally don't listen to both bands, but-


In end, its subjective and people will hold that close to them regardless how good their music is. >:c Deal with it.

I'm going to make this very very clear.



By your logic, my friend Daisy who likes to sing karaoke on the stage at the bar in the city, is one of the best live performances because, as you put it: she did it out of pure love towards the music; She doesn't use any fancy lights or 'tricks' as you so call them. She is not commercially supported either.


A clear fanboy 'I'm right and you're wrong' blanket statement. Nothing I say or point out will change your mind, and any evidence against this you will make up some wildly retarded excuse for so I'm best off not even trying.


They didn't show much of the crowd because the crowd was boring. They're not clapping, they're not jumping up and down and you can't hear them singing along. Despite that they are performing FOR the crowd, they all look <sarcasm>REALLLY</sarcasm> excited. No this is an excuse.

It's hardly the world's defining best live performance if you don't even see the crowd enjoying the song.



As I said earlier, I understand that this is Rage Against the Machine's style, but his rapping is hardly 'enthusiastic' and his voice and lyrics don't penetrate your mind into a whirl of awesomeness. Unless you're on drugs.


<sarcasm>You're totally right! I pay money to go to a concert so I can hear the same thing I can hear on a CD for much much less!</sarcasm>

Lights and Visual Acts have been a part of live performances for YEARS. Bands have used fireworks and explosions and weird and interesting arrangements to keep the crowds both entertained and feel like they contribute to the Concert experience. To go ahead and claim that flashing lights are just cheap distractions because a band (any band) sounds bad is a horrible fallacy and you're just cheating yourself if you believe that.


Say something so ignorant and stupid again and I will permanently ban you. Seriously.
So far you've only been able to spout your own extremely strong opinion. You've failed to provide any evidence and the video you provided was hardly an example of an entertaining music video. If anything I would say they only went so far as to just go on stage and sing their songs to the audience. They didn't do anything special or interesting (unless you call jumping up and down, rolling around and shouting into the microphone interesting).


On the other hand, Muse are widely renowned for being excellent performers live. They have won numerous rewards and an unparalleled reputation for their stage presence. Not to mention that they (very importantly) sound the same, and sometimes even better than what they do on their CD (without lip syncing). To anyone who has actually been to a band playing live, can attest to how important this is.
The reason I chose Muse is for these reasons. If you were to ask any critic or specialist in contemporary music as to whom performs better live, RAtM, or Muse, you can bet that most will say Muse.

I however, don't know what makes you more stupid. The fact that you said that lights and flashy visual effects are mindless distractions for 'crap' bands just to try and support your iron view that Rage Against the Machine is the one and only band capable of being awesome live.

I couldn't think of a less boring stage performance where we have some dude shouting rap lyrics into a mic (and you can't really 'hear' many of those lyrics because he's shouting or he sounds constipated). With simple background music whether that be a phat drum & bass beat, and/or some guitar chords, and some bright lights that barely move or change colour.


I'm not trying to have a go at you for liking Rage Against the Machine, but saying that the live performance was the best in the world and mankind is just ignorantly retarded.

Here are some examples of other awesome live performances;


Infected Mushroom - I Wish
Watch: best part kicks in around 1:41+


Infected Mushroom - Cities of the Future
(the quality isn't the best, but you can obviously see the crowd is having tons of fun! Singing along, bouncing and being a part of the performance)


Metallica - Enter Sandman
Well, no overly flashy lights, no tricks, so this one should be 'fair' to you Rusty. Oh, and 600,000+ people in the Audience, pure awesome.

You earned it.

Nice start for a new forum if i'm being threat with permabans after two days.

Fine. All i'm doing is to SEARCH ACCEPTANCE FOR MY OPINIONS. This shit is all the same as on DQ - voice your opinion, get flamed. No exceptions. If you concider others than Rage better, all the way your fucking business. This is my opinion, it won't be changed by posting pictures that claim i was ''owned''. If you cannot stand that i have an opinion i hold on to, and voice it radically and clearly, it's not my fault.

Then again, Rage doesn't sing. Neither it has any drum lines i couldn't play. But it's still better than commercial pop music.

But after all, why am i even trying? I know you won't shut up about it. You will keep on claiming me MY OPINION is wrong if i answer you.

Net wins, flawless victory!

It can be hard to win if the other isn't even competiting with you...

I love Muse a lot and everything, but I have allready learned, on DQ, that eigther posting about them on a thread not realted to them, or creating a thread about them will only cause a flame war.

Oppininon about the song this thread is about: I stopped watching the video second after the singer started to sing. Don't name a thread anything to do with "The best" or "greatest" or "the best thing since sliced bread", because other people have other oppinions.

In a nutshell, it's a matter of taste.

Have a taste of holographic live performance:

There are some things that are indebatably good.

You didn't just claim that Rage Against the Machine were good/great/awesome/outstanding live performers, you claimed that they had undoubtedly The Best Live Performance in the History of Music and Mankind.

Not only are you trying to state your own biased and strongly held opinion as fact. But the moment that people disagree with you, you either:
a) Resort to a Fanboy/Fangirl statement that x/y/z arguments don't count.
b) Once your (if any) arguments are completely blown apart, cry that things weren't fair.

So don't come here and whine that somebody just bitchsmacked your sorry ass and you have nothing to come back with. The mere fact that the video you posted holds NO evidence towards any elements that many music critics and enthusiasts would hold up to rate a 'live performance', let alone The Best in the History of Music and Mankind should have been enough to warrant this thread not being created at all.

But when you posted it, you didn't even state your reasons WHY you thought it was the best. Did you think that everyone would watch the video and magically agree with you? Of course you fucking didn't. So why the fuck did you create this thread in the first place?



It's fine to hold your own opinion, but when you start spouting that opinion as fact you better be ready as hell to back up that opinion. So far all you've done is cry about how everyone disagrees with you.


You want to really see a singer that is into it MORE than Rocha?
There are thousands.

You know what that is? That's a statement made by a Fangirl, so BLINDED by her passionate love that no matter what anyone else says, she will never change her mind. They are pretty common these days, and you know them; They are the Twitard (Twilight Tards) that blindly love their Edward, for he is flawless. Quite honestly, do you love Rocha? Because it sounds like it.


Also, you've failed to answer my question at all,

...until you grow the fuck up and find another band that takes your fancy and they also do an awesome live performance and you change your mind.



No, this website is vastly different to DQ. I'm not going to cuddle you and tell you that your opinions are good and valid. This website is about giving constructive criticism and I'm giving you some right now.


Grow the Fuck up; Don't claim your opinions as facts and don't have a whine online when somebody tells you off.

Very well put Net. Concise and well backed up.

I would like to put this to you as a conteneder to a great gig. Though i guess the music is very probably not everyones fav. But a gig to 1 million people is pretty cool.
Its Rock in Rio, Iron Maidens: Fear of the dark.
Audience participation is great.